♪ >> lou: good evening and thank you for being with us. breaking neww this hour, reporting that the national security agency and f.b.i. are mining the servers of nine leading internet programs. it's called prism and revealed by an unnamed source and extracting audio and photographs and email to track a person's movement the "washington post" reports. the technology companies participating knowingly, microsoft, google, facebook, pal talk, skype, youtube and apple.

meanwhile, washington today a buzz regarding a separately and known nsa effort to mine meta data from more than a hundred million verizon wireless customers and the president today trying to change the subject from the number of scandals engulfing his administration by change his location and his message. president obama hopes he can pivot the media and talking jobs in north carolina before he heads to california for two more private fund-raisers. while the president was avoiding the scandals or at least trying to without success, capitol hill was not. two more hearings, one involving attorney general eric holder and the other investigating the plate and the misuse of taxpayer dollars by the internal revenue service. we begin with the attorney general. holder appearing before the

senate appropriations subcommittee where he acknowledged mistakes have been made. he claimed the justice department will not prosecute reporters for doing their jobs so long as he is the top law enforcement official in the nation. he did not mention the constitution. house chairman bob goodlock is trying to decide whether he lied to the committee. calling to testimony once again and that appearance is now slated for june 18. meanwhile, lawmakers from both parties are blags tinge the irs for what oversight committee chairman calls maliciously indid you live jentd overspending. in how the irs blew $50 million of taxpayer money on lavish conferences

between 2010 and 2012. one california based conference priced at $4 million by itself. the head of the irs division that staged the conference offered nothing more than a nervous apology for the gross misuse of taxpayer money including his role in the creation of the ridiculous star trek video on your screen. that is also mr. ferris at the moment. >> it's embarrassing. i apologize. those videos, i know, inspector general's report there is not a clear delineation cost of both videos, they are embarrassing and i regret the fact they were made. >> lou: joining us more on the nsa prism program and

collection of records by verizon customers. chris, steven hayes, fox news contributor, steven. let me begin with you. this report, explosive report from the "washington post." to be clear we all knew what was breaking across the news. we knew seven years ago. u.s.a. today among other news organizations reporting the collection of so-called meta data. this "washington post" story is quite different dealing with service providers? >> i think you are exactly right. the proper distinction to make. in some ways, my first two reads of the story about the prism program that has been in existence seems to be magnitudes of order, more significant than the verizon story as you say we've been talking about all the time. it appears, if you read the piece closely, it appears to be getting into content

rather than just collecting and analyzing meta data. meta data that is cold and numerical, if you go through it and only analyze, it's requiring eyes on analysis of actual content of actual communications which we were not seeing. we were not listening into these conversations in the case of verizon an these other providers. >> lou: chris? >> it's remarkable. all i can say about politics is this -- it's always true when it rains it pours. i've never seen six months this heinous too start a second term. i can't imagine how it could get worse for the president. i said that yesterday. when the verizon story came out. now even before the day is done, the next thing comes out, a president who owes his election and reelection in large part to his stature as civil

libertarian. a guy that was able to rally the democratic base that prompted the "new york times" today to say the administration has lost all credibility. this is a disaster. >> lou: repeating, with a chris just said, that is the "new york times" saying this is president has lost all credibility. the irony withhn irony, google and facebook that were principal allies in his reelection campaign, his original campaign to take the office. they have been political partners and becoming increasingly intertwined in their political connectivity if you will. let's turn to the irs. steve, this is a just tawdry performance by the internal revenue service.

official after official whether they are talking about lavish spending the uttee corruption and the corruption of the organization and cowardice of the manager of the internal revenue service blaming 90 people, steven miller said the two had gone rogue in cincinnati. it's monstrous lies and disturbing revelation one after another. >> we ought to be clear about one thing. if there were really two rogue individuals continuing out of the cincinnati office who were responsible for this, we would know their names and they would be in deep trouble. they could be in jail. we know it wasn't that. i think mr. fink in his testimony in the mike emanuel package may have gotten himself in real hot water. he seems to me he didn't know how expensive the

expenditure was and he had in fact found an estimate of the cost that was $4.3 million. either he did know about it or didn't know about it and this is one of the cascading series of misrepresentations and lies we've gotten from irs officials and members of the obama administration about this particular scandal. >> lou: now we have the president, if you will, closing ranks. samantha power to the united nations post now held by susan rice. susan rice national security advisor, not requiring confirmation. this if i've ever seen a more radical national security team, i certainly can't imagine who it would be. well, i do know that the chances of us bombing

stuff in syria has gone way up. a western intervention in syria is much more likely. this this is a signal that the approach that was taken in libya is now to be put forward in syria. there has been a genocide already. that is samantha powers, that is her portfolio, how the west should intervene. she wants it. susan rice is very much that way. she is a very hawkish on that stuff. yeah, i think we can see important of that from this administration. >> lou: high colleague chris did not want to use that word, radical, but i did. when you have things written and said by samantha powers, it is

stupidfied there is not more than a an outcry to talk the point in united nations. would you agree with that? >> she has wanted a policy of mea culpa and we saw that in the president's earliest months. i'm not sure we'll see a turn that my colleague will suggest. very good grounds to suspect we might. but president obama is strained and you'll hear arguments from rice and power that we should takes a more intervention-i role. he has made it clear that he wants to reduce the u.s. footprint. >> lou: we will not have to refer to chris, we'll just refer to him as our colleague. [ laughter ] >> lou: thank you gentlemen.

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♪ >> lou: my next guest says the susan rice appointment is a slap in the face. she believes it's done to distract in the various scandals that is boiling around. joining us is best selling author conservative columnist ann coulter. you say there is politics

in the appointment of rice and power? >> yes, it remenus me of the clinton era when he distracts one scandal by starting a new one. and what are republicans supposed to do with this. susan rice was all over tv about the video being the cause of the attack on the ambassador and death of four americans. over and over again. she is promoting now what we know now is an absolute lie. of course republicans are going explain about this. it's dangling a sardine in front of the ka cat. you have wasted 60 seconds on this, rather than amnesty and rather than the irs scandal. >> lou: let's turn first to the internal revenue service. that scandal and the prosecution is going after the irs to find relief to

his clients which have been victims of egregious use of power. when we look up all the scandals, i think the republicans have to give considerable credit. they have maintained focus here. i think they are doing very well to this point, don't you? >> i absolutely agree. if you watch some of the obama network, they keep complaining, republicans say obama is behind the scandal. many republicans and say they want you to investigate that. there are some facts we do know. they are pretty devastating facts. beyond the line, the hearing yesterday i think it was very powerful for them and the least directly to their political opponents with the irs internal stamp on it, then

that gets published and. we have a pro-life group indeed all the members have to pledge under penalty of perjury they will not pray outside of planned parenthood facility. >> lou: including the fact the attorney general refuses to meet with the chairman of the house judiciary committee who demanded answers on the holder scandals, they are plural, by the way -- he and his committee will attorney general has committed perjury. as i listen to the statement, i couldn't imagine that you would doubt it ttat it contradicted himself? >> it seems like it.

i don't have a strong opinion on that. my main point with the holder and the tapping of journalist phone lines, fox news, james rosen and his parents is that the national security justification is a fraud. that seems to be the linchpin of the whole story. if james rosen or any other journalist were trying to pressure a member of the state department to release serious, sensitive security information, how about it. listen to their phones. >> lou: i truly believe, holder the judge that signed off to the subpoena, f.b.i. agent that attested to probable cause, i think they could face significant consequences because it was preposterous what they accepted as fact. we have 15 seconds here. i know you've been very concerned about the gang of

eight and what you call the amnesty that is being proposed, do you think it will pass? >> right now it is on the and all these statements in the media, rubio saying we might not vote for it. this is fool the american people the way amnesty was stopped is when americans called and complained. that is not happening because talk radio hosts and all the media, don't worry it's not going pass. right now it's going to pass. >> lou: ann, always good to have you with us. >> the last recession called a man session because it hit men in the work force particularly hard. feminists and liberal media are celebrating a pew research study. we wonder why. we'll explore it. ou must garth's father? hello mothe mother! traling is easy with the nture card cause you can fly airline anytime.

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>>. >> lou: in the last days i've been criticized by

some folks including some in my own tent including with a troubles about me about this country. a few of my detractors decided was a hallmark and sisterhood towardend equality since moms are the primary breadwinners in 40% of their homes. here is what they are focusing on the new pew survey. there is a lot to celebrate. it is in some small percentage they suggest. both at pew in which i've had a word or two, there is some good and there is also some submerged material that a lot of people didn't look at. we are now looking at 5.1 million married mothers, we have a higher income that have higher income than their husbands.

49% of them have at least a college degree. 65% of them are white. 67% are between the ages of a 30 and 50. their median family income is nearly $80,000. i think that is pretty much what most people would expect. all that isn't what impressed me in this study or concerned me. believe it or not, there are few folks that i shouldn't be concerned or i shouldn't be troubled by what we're seeing. i don't know why they felt that way. frankly, i don't care. it was more ideological. it was more reflexive and had something to do with in some abstract way with some sort of gender politics. here is what my detractors refused to acknowledge. in some cases they didn't even want to talk about it. the single mom. there are 8.6 million of

them. versus the 5.1 million with the $80,000 and that is going pretty good. these single mothers who are working, 49% of them have a high school degree. they are working because they have to. this isn't about the sisterhood. this isn't about progress. this is about the consequence of choices that we're making as a society and it's not working out great for these folks. to deny that, i consider to be outrageous. 40% of them are black. nearly a quarter. 24% hispanic and nearly a third are white. almost half, 46% are 30 years or younger. if they've ever been married or whether divorced or widowed they make on an average $29,000 a year.

if they've never been married, they make on average, $17,400 a year. the poverty line for a family with one adult, one child, just over $15,000. so that tells you where these women and their children live in our economy. their children live in poverty and the moms are the sole provider by default, not becauue of gender equality or progress. many of these children of the single moms are at risk and in so being they perpetuate a cycle of poverty or illegal behavior. all of us, men and women have got to break the cycle of pass ist and difference and break the cycle of irresponsibility responsible political correctness to delude some men in denying the pain in society and consequences of

poor public policy decisions. we've got to address and fix this for these people's sake. we're going to take all of that up with fox news national security analyst k.t. mcfarland. she has had a career of home and family and career and also one other that says the traditional ways is not for her. they will be here next. whater biness you're in, at's the business we're in. with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes toake yourusiness our business. od. helping the world keep promises.

>>. >> lou: as i imagined in chalk talk on the breadwinner moms has created a debate in the national media. my next guests have two different outlooks and issues confronting women in this country. joining us is jeda, wife, mother and accomplished

k.t. mcfarland. >> we are tied as a grandparent of five. let's get to, obviously you pre dealing with somewhat traditional personalities when we started talking about grandchildren. >> she is my daughter. [ laughter ] >> lou: how can it be that we can bamlyhoo and we talk about this progress, more than $8.5 million, $17,400 average on year. lacking education the children will be going into the same cycle. we are perpetuating such a waste in our society. >> the unfortunate part there are very few people that are willing to talk about this. this is a very sensitive

subject. you have to be able to talk about single mothers and the problems that ensue. you are not talking about not being able to give them educational opportunities. what ultimately leads to the entitlement society where people become dependent on government programs and government systems because they don't have a two parent household e two figures that can contribute to their financial well-being. so its conversation that needs to happen. i'm all for strong empowered women in the work force. i'm all for female breadwinners and i don't want to equate them to the animal kingdom as others have done. i support -- if you are a single woman out there and you want to have a child and you can handle that and you have a supportive family around you and you are financially able to take that on, i tip my hat to you. you need to be sure that you can financially provide

for that child or you are doing a disservice not only to your child but to society at large. >> lou: there is a lot more at work than money here? >> yes. the chalk talk you did you painted two societies. there a book you and i talked by charles murray called "coming apart." he studied white american families, we have an elite tribe that is well educated. >> lou: and very smart. he kept his entire analysis and conclusions only to white america so there would not be any racialism. >> he found an elite group they have a low divorce rate only 4% have children out of wedlock. they are very intact and doing very well.

but a whole other group that you talked about it. they are single parent families. women are breadwinners out of necessity and children are far more likely to use drugs to be poorly educated and not have high school diplomas. >> lou: do you want to have children or get married? >> whether i get married in the future i don't know. hopefully i have a husband when i do. i intend to have a long prosperous career. i'm one of those people doesn't feel like it matters who wears the financial pants in the family. that needs to be decided on an individual basis, per couple per family. >> lou: we've got to be able to accommodate a lot of choices and reflex

shouldn't be a neanderthal or bizarre. it's your life. it's america, you live it. i don't see why that isn't the case. there is a sort of a feminist about it all, i don't know way to say it. primitive outlook of something -- i don't know what the devil is going on. >> i think you can also talk about the importance of family and talk about the importance of two-people that love and support a child without being outdated. you say i want women to be empowered. i want men to be empowered. >> i want children to be empowered and children of 8.6 million are at risk are not empowered. >> they'll never catch up. they'll never catch up to

the elite group that is going to graduate school and stays married. >> lou: it challenges a lot of the assumption made across society by the traditional and different views. >> talk about the cultural components in society about how people feel about men, how people feel about women. what that has to do with this. i think it puts an interesting mix. i know there was on college campuses if men don't feel welcome. [ laughter ] >> lou: get out there and go to work at something you enjoy. it's not going to be an education but that is why we have 57% of college graduates are women and ensures their women for the next couple of decades as breadwinners. thank you both.

>> bill clinton first urged his wife to run against an incompetent incumbent president. then he wanted to negotiate for an endorsement. ed cline best-selling book on the clinton-obama relationship.

>>. >> lou: my next guest has been saying for months on this broadcast that tte relationship between the obamas and the clintons has never been warm and cozy. sources now say president bill clinton agreed to give that incredible speech at the democratic national convention because there was deal in place. in return president obama would endorse hillary in 2016. the president, however, has been dodging in and out of that deal ever since. joining us with the details of this fascinating relationship and deal, author of the best-selling

book, "the amateur," brand-new details we will be discussing here tonight. ed cline, great to have you here. this deal, as we all watch bill clinton perform the democratic national convention we knew something was going on because his animation, his enthusiasm had never been so ebullient? >> he thought he nailed down a deal to get hillary endorsed in 2016 but he had the right to name the chairman of the democratic committee thereby getting control over the democratic party apparatus. i stuck right through the election until obama won and then he started backing off the deal.

>> lou: backing off the deal and i have to tell you it's hard to follow because as you report, bill clinton gets furious because the president decides, i don't need him anymore. next thing we see is hillary clinton and barack obama in a departing secretary of state, second term president all love have i dovy on the cameras of 60 minutes. >> that was the payoff that obama had to do when he found out that clinton was so upset. that clinton was so apoplectic. when obama's people discovered how upset clinton was they got scared. >> lou: this is not a potential adversary even if

you are president of the united states? >> exactly. i think obama realized that. 60 minutes was one payoff, the big kiss on television and the secretary payoff was the obamas invited the clintons to the white house for the very first time to have dinner in the family quarters. guess who was there at the dinner? valerie jarret. they wouldn't have dinner with him a. they had to have valerie jarret. >> lou: president obama has never been close, but president clinton talking about the george w. bush asking more for advice who are has president obama. whattis the current state of relationship. what is the current state of the deal? >> current state of the deal i've been told by

sources i've been talking to for several months is that the clintons have more or less given up any hope of getting obamas endorsement in 2016. >> lou: despite the deal? >> the deal has been tossed over the side of the boat. it appears from what i've been told that joe biden has decided to run for president in 2016. and obama is saying, he is my vice president. he is the guy been very loyal to me. i can't turn my back on joe. i can't really endorse hillary because of that. it's excuse to get out of endorsing hillary. >> lou: parameters changing quite frequently. i guess john boehner would be reminded how effective a

deal is with this president. this can't be helpful to the president. it doesn't is seem, at least to me, to be a deal breaker for hillary and her aspirations for 2016, is it? >> i don't think so at all. i think you have a president who breaks his word with almost every one whom he gives it. i have been reporting on barack obama for several years. i can't tell you how many people have told me, i thought i had a deal with him. i thought i had an agreement with him. i did my side and then he didn't follow through. this happens again and again. i think this is what has happened in congress. >> lou: ed cline, thanks very much. the paperback edition is now on sale and online or go to lou dobbs for a link. >> prosperity headed to the heartland says the author of a new book, meredith

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♪ >> lou: our next guest created quite a name for herself by making the toughest calls on wall street. her latest edition that economic strongholds are shifting to california and new jersey to texas and indiana. joining us is prominent and author, new gee geography? >> it's such an honor to be here. >> lou: congratulations on your new book. it's out and online and in book stores. we've got a connection to

it on lou dobbs dotcom. the idea that we're seeing a nation along our east and west coast, becoming so heavily regulated and such massive taxes that it's actually be a disincentive for folks for prosperity for the middle of the country. how soon? >> well, i'll tell you that businesses that are moving now, the businesses have% been in the process of moving. people are s follow. all people want in this country and pretty much everywhere is an opportunity to earn a better life. so when people talk about why is there no the job creation? there is a job creation. half a million jobs have% been created in the central corridor. the old school economic theory the coasts are going to lead the economy forward

isn't working anymore. >> lou: it's not working and taxes are rising and democratic shiftt as well that are going to be very important. you predict the smart money, the wealthy folks will be relocating. i think of some interior states like illinois, that has to give folks smart money a lot of pause. >> no one is going to illinois because they just raised their taxes by two-thirds. it's difficult to get anything done. if you are smart, you understand that the liabilities that are taking on as a taxpayer, meaning they are going to lean on you important more tax dollars is pretty threatening. what happens not only do your taxes go up but when the states are in bad shape, money for other things like education, roads, public safety, that goes away. so people pay more and getting less for their money. there is month money to retrain people.

unemployment stays high. >> lou: unemployment has become chronic. it is without question structural without policy response, without a leadership response. >> all talk and no action. >> lou: and we are depended upon growth and no discussion of when prosperity returns to this country. when do we start to see the return of prosperity? is it dependent on a new set of leaders? >> here is the cool thing. you are seeing it in these states, 2008 and 2011, last data available, states like texas grew over 8%. states like louisiana grew 16% and states like north dakota grew 26%. states like california grew

3% and florida and nevada grew even less than that. it's really happening here. the states are not doing the right thing, california, new jersey, illinois don't wake up and pay attention, they are going to be way behind the game. it's sad that the states that need the change the most are the most distance from the change. >> lou: are banks back? >> i think banks are also in structural transition. >> lou: i like that structural transition. meredith, we like i very much. we recommend her book "fate of the states," on sale and online or go to our website for a link. >> lou: up next, new book and author's words telling the inside story of the shadowy international bank

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>>. >> lou: my next guest new book "tower of babel," the bank of international settlements, b.i.s.and how they operate out of law and oversight. joining me is the author of "tower of babel," the bank itself is not secret but not sure the operations are. great to have you adam lebor. this is fascinating book. this is fasciiating subject and one most people even in business and banking don't understand this bank and it's role as the

b.i.s. what drew to you so to the conspiracies and world of financial management? >> it started in the late 1990s. i wrote a book called the secret bankers that investigates switzerland and connections with nazi germany. there was a chapter i wrote on the b.i.s., and it's a strange situation. >> lou: who really once the bank? >> the bank runs itself. it's composed of 15 governors from around the world. for example the governor of federal reserve. bank of england, bank of italy and central bank. >> lou: you've been a correspondent through your career. do you believe it to be a benign force or a force that is somewhat significantly sinister? >> i don't think it's

sinister in itself. what we know, we want more information what goes on there. this isn't a bank that is out to ruin the world or be malevolent. but it's very secret because it was set up in 1930. it's an average of deference to authority and did what they were told. nowadays that doesn't work any more. >> lou: perhaps we are becomiig more submissive and passive, certainly in this country. we accept it. there are those that resist the federal reserve, an important part. i compensated the book to you. adam lebor, the book is "tower of babel," adam

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